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Sex and the emirate

Sex and the emirate

The slew of ‘sexpat’ scandals has seen Dubai get a lot of press attention, and not in a good way. From ‘sex on the beach’ to the ‘lewd texts’ case, we take a look at how expat life can go horribly wrong.

March 22, 2010 1:36 by

5. Marnie Pearce

Marnie Pearce, another British national, was jailed for three months in February last year after her Egyptian husband, Ihab El Labban, accused her of having an affair. Pearce, who denied the allegations, claimed that her husband framed the charges in order to get custody of their two young sons.

Although she was supposed to be deported after serving the prison term, she was later pardoned and allowed to stay on in Dubai, and later, also managed to win the right to see her children twice a week.

6. Michelle Palmer and Vince Acors

The case that attracted the most headlines was the ‘sex on the beach’ incident in July 2008.

Michelle Palmer, a resident of Dubai, and UK-based Vince Acors were accused of engaging in sexual activity outside wedlock, after police caught the pair allegedly having sex on Jumeirah beach. Palmer was also accused of throwing her shoe at a police officer.

Both were sentenced to three months in prison followed by deportation in October. However, in November, the court suspended their jail term, and the two were deported back to Britain.

The two were fined AED1,000 for drinking alcohol.

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  1. j b on March 23, 2010 12:27 pm

    B@)(*&shit! I have been to JBR and I am a non-arab. totally scandaleous stuff! does it every occur to you that I do not want to see how you look smooching and hiking a skirt up! Does it ever occur to you the pain of a spouse cheating on you when a COURT case is in motion for custody of the kids! Does it ever occur to anyone that I do not want to see a woman topless on the beach in front of my 10 year old son! Does it ever occur to anyone that the UK society is going back to the pre-historic era on underage sex, alcholism and abuse! Does it occur to anyone that when you drink you accept the resposibility of being out of control and being raped!! does it ever occur to anyone the way women in dubai are slobbering out of bars drunked pissed out of their brains….on thurday nite. Simple – rules are hard to stomach. If you are not caught its fine…if you are respect the law OR bugger off…back to your country! BTW: I am a non muslim and been living a safe life in Dubai for the last 15 years. For those who dont like the law- Dont cross it!

  2. j b on March 23, 2010 12:44 pm

    one more…btw: when there is a custody battle going on in court and a spouse complains to the cops- the series of SMS messages can be proof of an indiscretion in a court of law (in India the Supreme Court has accepted in some cases an sms as a proof). Also dont tell me that in the expat countries the cops are not called in on to sort out issues!! Sort your marriage out before you go – gardening! And I am surpriesed at the stream of outbursts! on texting! why is texting permissible! If you are married and are texting lewd content…its not right! And becouse its not right you are HIDING it from your spouse….So you what- before you go bashing the cops up and venting your rights – check if what is done is the right thing to do. if you are not caught out, keep up the indiscretion – If you are caught have the GUTS to face it! It nice to see these ‘wake up’ call from the cops! Ahh and by the way, if you do marry a muslim (wohoman or man), know the law and what goes with it!

    And relax…enjoy the good what Dubai has to offer – stop nagging and cribbing all the time!! these laws are for a better society…

  3. eiBeauty on March 23, 2010 2:07 pm

    JB, you are an idiot. In civilized countries, even idiots have basic rights.

  4. Haytch on March 24, 2010 7:46 am

    this is funny :D

  5. Miss Anne Thropic on March 24, 2010 11:00 am

    jb, calm down. I’ve never seen a woman sunbaking topless on any beach anywhere in the Middle East. Even in most western countries there are beaches where you can and cannot sunbake topless so you don’t need to expose your son to breasts – although he’ll probably be curious about them sooner or later.

    Most people here are pretty aware that it is inappropriate to be too publicly affectionate in the UAE although anyone who is offended by a couple holding hands or giving each other a peck on the cheek really needs to get a life. God forbid the kids see examples of adults being happy together…

    And the “if you don’t like it here, you can leave” argument is tired and silly. Not everyone has the luxury of being able to leave here on a whim. If you have debts here and you want to do the honourable thing and pay them off before you leave for good, you can’t (or shouldn’t) leave as soon as you feel like it. People who have received an advance from their employer to pay a year-long rent cheque are also in a position where it is hard to leave quickly.

    Then there are the exploited people who have had their passports illegally confiscated by employers and are often in debt to their employers who have made them pay for the own visas. They too are unable to just jump in the next plane and go home.

    It really isn’t as simple as “if you don’t like it, leave.”

  6. j b on March 24, 2010 3:38 pm

    Miss EI – I DO IT- try to accept another point of view – All have rights. Just keep track of them – dont wring and whine when caught out and start hissing at the cops! We awiat the day you see a saucy text on your spouses fon – LOL.

    as for Ms FINAL- thropic!! you need to visit some beaches love! lotsa bikini mal functions in the watah!!. Ever seen the signs of appropirate clothing in MALLS – sure sunny boy will know one day and he .too! but lets have less of ‘in your face’ crap! of course, no harm Annie, my husband and I have a good PDA in front of my kids and they see 9012 and Friends all teh time! They go to mult – schools too at Jumierah- so yo see I am not exactly a bashful! My point is sometimes the PDA crosses a path which is not ‘preety’ – and its shoved in yr face! not everyone kisses like the movies! so you see PDA are welcome to all – its the degree that causes the embarresment to some! Lastly Annie – this is for the SOME PEOPLE who DONT GET IT…not for the ones that get it right!

    enjoy dubai ladies!!…tho I am surprised to see women react that way..and can see the men smiling.

  7. Andrew on March 25, 2010 7:21 am

    If I was you I’d more concerned about the fact that your average 14 year old is probably able to structure a more coherent rant.

  8. Miss Anne Thropic on March 25, 2010 9:04 am

    I’ve read more articulate graffiti on the wall behind More cafe in Garhoud than jb’s tirade. As long as prostitutes are still illegally trafficked here and working openly in the bars and as long as women are too scared to report sexual assault in case they are charged with fornication, then I really think the police should quit wasting time on some 2am kiss in a JBR restaurant or raunchy texts. It is all about perspective and consistency.

  9. Andrew on March 25, 2010 12:37 pm

    But what are bored coppers supposed to do with their time (other than do their jobs)?

    Won’t somebody think of the coppers?

  10. Miss Anne Thropic on March 25, 2010 8:26 pm

    Damn right, Andrew. Enforcing the law in a reasonable manner would just get in the way of their busy doughnut-eating schedule.

  11. Peter Peter on March 26, 2010 1:07 pm

    One thing I still don’t get.

    It is legal to SELL alcohol in a bar or restaurant. It is legal for me to BUY alcohol in a bar or restaurant , but apparently it is NOT legal for me to DRINK that alcohol.

    Could it be that all this is just a big money making gimmick ? First sell licenses for selling alcohol and make money and then fine people who drink and make more money !! Now that is what is called a WIN – WIN situation.

    Lest anyone forget it was Dubai who first introduced allowing passengers to bring in 4 bottles of duty free booze against the international norm of 2 bottles. So much for your “local’ traditions and values.

  12. Miss Anne Thropic on March 27, 2010 9:50 pm

    Peter Peter, it’s even weirder – you can buy the booze and drink it but it is illegal to be publicly intoxicated. Meanwhile, there is a duty-free booze shop at Sharjah Airport, but it is illegal to have alcohol in your car n Sharjah so I am not sure how you are meant to take it home unless you can somehow catapult it from the airport to your house…

    Meanwhile, two 30-something unmarried adults having consensual sex is illegal but it is legal for a 16-year-old in an arranged marriage to a middle aged man to be having sex. Yep, that makes so much sense…

  13. Andrew on March 28, 2010 8:17 am

    This country is consistently inconsistent, the mind no-longer boggles … it just smirks.

  14. j b on March 28, 2010 10:24 am

    guys – sorry I ranted….reading all of you whining away about the two face, stance- its does not correct it – BUT?
    But these sitations exist in every – with no exception – country. UK India, US Pak – its just the subject AND THE DEGREE varies!

    probably the rulers here are wiser what to permit and what not too? Probably they do not want to make the mistakes and see the society debunking like in certain countries around. And granted UAE has made some errors. But all in all is becouse of certain strictures the coutnry has not gone of the rails….as for my 14yr old, – he is rush to grown up in the UAE. Ofcouse he will know…with all the exposure, but it wont be IN YOUR FACE!

    enjoy dubai and by all means stay here for years so one day when you return, you will be secretly wishing life was a bit more safer – however stupid the laws look to you!

  15. Miss Anne Thropic on March 28, 2010 11:38 am

    And let’s not forget that cross-dressing is illegal as is homosexuality yet it’s fine for men in long, dress-like attire to hold hands and greet each other with a kiss…

  16. j b on March 28, 2010 3:24 pm

    - Yup I agree Anne – AS wonky(sorry legal) it is to get a permit and buy a gun back home. All countries have weird rules – some good for you some not! from where I come, NO ONE carries a gun in or can own a gun in my home country! …so this debate can go on and on.

    told you post Dubai, you will know! Till then like you said, —its not easy to leave— – I agree – But Dubai is not easy to forget – for its safety, social LIMITS and a funny surreal balance! What say..? at least when my 11 yr old hits16 I am not worried that he or she will come home sloshed! – Atleast the probability is a lot less here then back home.

    Guess this is can go on and on…point its a safer place then any of the metropolitian cities in the world! And its safe cos the culture back in certain countries cannot be – exported here becos of Dubai’s So called ‘funny rules’ according to you guys! So thankful for that!

  17. Miss Anne Thropic on March 28, 2010 4:33 pm

    I’ve got to disagree on the safety issue – plenty of female friends of mine have been attacked but have been too scared to report it in case they end up being charged. When I was attacked in Dubai in 2006 (having never been attacked in any other country…), I had a terrible time being taken seriously by the police. I had one idiot ask me what I was wearing (a knee-length dress over thick black tights but why would it matter?), whether I was drunk (I wasn’t but would it matter if I was?). why I was walking by myself at night, and he accused me of making up the whole story.

    I was finally taken seriously when a friend referred me to someone quite senior who was excellent – but it took a lot of frustrating phonecalls and waiting around to get to that guy.

    I truly believe crime stats are low here because of under-reporting. Why would a woman report a rape if she knows that if the rapist is found not guilty, she may face a fornication charge?

    Add to this the idiocy on the UAE’s roads and there’s no way I’d raise any kid of mine here.

  18. Andrew on March 29, 2010 6:59 am

    When saying you would never raise a child here, you are indeed living up to your name Anne. It’s not that bad, hell even I was raised here during my teenage years and look how I turned out … h’actually, good point – well made.

  19. Miss Anne Thropic on March 29, 2010 12:08 pm

    Hee hee! I know people here who are doing a perfectly fine job of raising non-expat brats (and some that are failing dismally and have raised appalling little human beings!) But I think if and when my better half and I decided to start a family it’ll be in one of our home countries. Both nations have good free education for starters!

  20. Andrew on March 30, 2010 6:59 am

    And here we come across another of the root causes of problems here; all the interesting women are already taken!

    It might be a bit controversial, but I get the feeling that if demographics didn’t dictate the need for so much competition, there wouldn’t be quite so much of an issue with “morality”.

  21. Miss Anne Thropic on March 30, 2010 9:34 am

    The disproportionately high number of men who have left wives behind in their home countries definitely contributes to the problems here.

    There are thousands of men on low salary jobs who cannot bring their wives here. I am pretty sure the guy who attacked me back in 2006 was one of these “bachelors”. While that doesn’t excuse him grabbing me as I walked past him, I can understand the motivation behind a lot of the attacks on women here – simple sexual frustration.

    A society where men are in the overwhelming majority is always going to have issues with sex crimes on women.

    Combine this with expats who can, up to a point, get away with behaviour that is illegal here but fine if you’re discreet about it, and you have an unholy mess.

    Although personally VInce Accors and Michelle Palmer were just plain silly – doing such things on a beach and insulting a cop is illegal in most countries.

  22. Andrew on March 31, 2010 5:54 am

    Oh God, don’t mention that pair – what an embarrassment. The police officer offered them the chance to stop, 15 years ago they wouldn’t have granted even that courtesy.

  23. kombizz on March 31, 2010 3:52 pm

    By now, Dubai’s society has accepted the highest technologies, with high-standard western attitudes. So I can’t understand why they still have a closed-minded society with chauvinist attitude! I am very sure few rich Arab Dubain people instead of having one wife, have many wives, mistresses, so on. So why a simple friendship kiss has made such a hot story in this small country?

  24. arw on April 1, 2010 6:07 am

    considering how my emirati friends carry on behind the backs of their wives with numerous mistresses, i find it amusing that the same people cry about being insulted at such a sight as a peck on the cheek..

    a case of double standards me thinks…

  25. Wibble on April 5, 2010 9:40 pm

    What you should all be asking yourselves is, does Dubai really want to become a player on the international stage?
    Democracies are not driven by clerics or religion but by freedom of speach trade and movement.
    To be imprisioned for a display of affection is ludicrous especially in a country where multiple wives are common. Do we see women with a choice of multiple husbands?. So why not if its OK for men to behave that way?
    More to the point, why is it that Muslims/ Islamics & Hindus seem unable to keep their views to themselves within their own countries rather than expecting every culture to adhere to their way of thinking? Perhaps in Britain we should make it compulsory for all British Muslims to spend time in a truly Muslim or Islamic country so that they would realise how little freedom they have there.
    There are also dual standards where on the one hand wealthy people are courted to buy properties at huge cost and the Burj al Arab boasts the most expensive cocktails in the world where sumptious parties are normal when the poor pay the price in punishment for drinking the demon alcohol.
    Meanwhile the Indian road gangs continue to remain trapped within the visa disputes reliant on unlivable wages when compared to the rents within the city, without whom the construction industry would falter.
    Equality and true fairness is still a way off and until views change you can be sure to read of the heinous expats offending goodness knows what traditions, meanwhile though we read of the high level scandals involving their supposed betters that now are reported to even affect institutions such as the DIFC, so much for Sharia based financial fairness!
    Perhaps all concerned should step back and take stock of what is really happening if the way is truly forward.

  26. alrafik on April 17, 2010 1:10 pm

    its as simple as this: when you go to visit a relative, a neighbour or a friend in their house, you abide with the law that is laid down for you, thats not your house to start arguing with the owner that the rules are too strict! thats so ridiculous! its your choice you chose to come, so follow the rules!!! Dubai is a muslim country and therefore you should respect the conservativeness of our religion. i see many expats walking around in micro mini dresses and shorts, and some see through clothes, but the police out of respect, turn a blind eye. All expats who come to dubai should have done a reserch beforehand, and understood the rules and laws, i mean its only common sense that you dont jump into something blindly. And lastly, and i dont mean to sound insulting, most western countries have lost their morals, so when they see a country trying to keep theirs, they accuse them of being too strict!!! please if you are not comfortable on this seat of dubai, find another seat, there are many around the world ;). have a respectful day wont you?

  27. alrafik on April 17, 2010 1:27 pm

    STOP ALL THE RANTINGS AND RAVINGS!!!!!! You don’t have to kiss in public to show the world just how much you love each other! You don’t have to stay in Dubai if the rules don’t fit your lifestyle! Sorry to say this, but most of the comments here are from Brits, right? But ain’t it also the same Brits that always defy the law here and have gotten blacklisted? Just ask the police how many offences have been committed by Britons, and NO! its not witch hunting! I know a lot of Brits who are my friends and I work with and like so much, but we have a few rotten ones just like all other countries, same for GCC countries! So lets all stop the pettiness, grow up and follow the rules!

  28. Andrew on April 18, 2010 6:50 am

    There’s only two alrafiks, two alrafiks, there’s only two alrafiks!

  29. alrafik on April 18, 2010 10:40 am

    yes andrew, thats two comments by one person not two! now i made a third comment, dont think its three alrafiks huh? ;)

  30. Andrew on April 18, 2010 3:04 pm

    … three alrafiks, there’s only three alrafiks!

  31. Emarati female doctor on April 19, 2010 4:59 pm

    Well said alrafik. I lived in Europe ( esp. UK) for 15 years and I know how much these Brits should be thankful to live in our country from all perspectives.. That’s right we all know it guys, so show some respects Brits will you !!?? You are by all means NOT allowed to talk badly about the way we dress or our culture is going, yes you can in your own country like you’ve been doing abroad and the way you’ve been treating us back in your country.. If we’re to treat you samewise you would have been kicked out the minute you entered this country. We’re proud to be MUSLIMS no matter where we go, and in our country YOU HAVE TO SHOW RESPECT whether you like it or not.. GOT IT?!! We don’t care about what you think, but you have to be responsible for what you say and do in our country!!

  32. NN on April 20, 2010 9:51 am

    At last some common sense, thanks alrafik and Emarati female doctor. Ever since I got here and all I’ve been hearing was the negatives, but you know what I used to live in UK as well, and there is no way you could live there in the posh manner that you do over here. So be thankful.
    Also, seriously when you go to a country either respect it’s culture and rules or LEAVE. It is a muslim and an Arab country and we wouldnt have it any other way. We dont tell you how to live in your country so dont ever think you’re ever allowed to dictate how we do in ours.

  33. MA on April 20, 2010 10:13 am

    Emarati female doctor and Alrafiks I agree with you , you both 10000% right , only Brits don’t respect the rules and I believe if Brits don’t like UAE rules it’s better to leave .
    I am an Egyptian female visiting Dubai most of time
    I do respect the rules, not only in Dubai but in any other country.. Middle East countries are safe and good place to live / visit if not why do Brits living and visiting ??!!

  34. Andrew on April 20, 2010 1:48 pm

    I don’t think anyone is debating that?

  35. Miss Anne Thropic on April 20, 2010 2:10 pm

    I think most western expats here, contrary to the good doctor’s rantings, are pretty respectful here. Any dilution of Emirati culture is largely down to Emiratis themselves. That they are a minority in their own country is largely down to bringing in expats to do jobs they won’t do for themselves. It’s simple, UAE nationals: if you don’t want expats here, you can do our jobs for us. Driving taxis, cleaning public toilets, waiting on tables, nannies, housemaids, construction work – all sorts of jobs just waiting for you…

  36. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 4:38 pm

    Speak for yourself please MISS ANNE. You didn’t come all the way to work in our country and tell us what to do.. We do what we want, we’re not waiting for your silly opinion. Go back home and tell your people what to do, but here, SHOW RESPECT and shut it off.. If you continue to argue it only shows how disrespectful you -and people like you- are. And it’s a big shame that bad ones like you are also allowed to enjoy our country, because GOOD ones don’t leave their country for good !!!! So, I suspect you’d do a better job in a safer environment back in your own country, if you don’t agree see if I – or any of the GOOD ones living and loving this country- CARE !! BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF if any morality is left or else you’d be a bad representer of your country.. WE NEED GOOD ONES TO TALK, otherwise let everybody else shut it up !!

  37. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 4:47 pm

    When this country opened its doors for expats, we welcomed everyone like our friends in our nature, but we feared that one day untrusty people will escape our doors and get access to better life, you are 1 of them ANNE and I’m sure there are plenty others like you .. YOU ARE GOING DOWN and your feelings of hatered to this country and its people will put you into trouble and you might not get out of it next time!! What you r saying and doing is illegal and you’ll be kicked out of this country soon, if you don’t agree then make yourself known to us or to the government and you will be behing the sun..!! or back in your nany’s house!!

  38. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 4:54 pm

    And please talk about your culture and let us be entertained, cause we don’t want somebody like you talking about our vales and beliefs !!! Talk about what you know and leave out what you don’t. NO OTHER COUNTRY WOULD TREAT YOU THE WAY YOU ARE TREATED HERE and you everybody knows it.. DO yourself a favour save your bad impressions for yourself and your own country.. !!!!
    If you continue to argue it only shows how LOW CLASS expat you represent !!! ENOUGH SAID !!!!!

  39. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 5:07 pm

    We can’t teach people how to respect others .. WHATTA SHAME for you and your country to have somebody like you talking !!! They should have toaught you this long time ago when you were a kid back in your home country.. As I say guys, see how many cheap people are entering our country and allowed to talk cheap about us!! You only do BAD to yourself and Brits colleagues. I wonder where are the good Brits even though we have thousands and thousands of them here in Dubai. I shouldn’t be replying to you, if there are Good BRITS out there well it is your chance to show your GOOD WILL to the people of this country. If there’s silence then .. whatta shame!! It only shows how good or bad you are after all the good package you are getting here!!!!! Even better than your home country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 5:13 pm

    PLEASE REMEMBER, WE WON”T CHANGE OUR RELIGION OR CULTURE TO PLEASE ANYONE , not even anywhere in the wold, just like we are not forcing you to change… IF YOU DON”T RESPECT YOURSELF, THEN DON”T RESPECT OTHERS.. It’s very simple MISS …….. ……… !!!

  41. Emarati female doctor on April 20, 2010 9:53 pm

    Ahh, I forgot to say that I wish people like Anne are coming to clean our toilets or work as housemaids etc. We value these jobs and we need people to serve in our society (just like what you do back in your homeland, and we know it!). Unfortunately people like you have come to occupy high class jobs with higher pay than what your coleagues and family do back home, causing more burden on our country and destroying our economy! Bottom line: Anne, you and your people are not needed anymore, go back home where you can do a better ‘MANAGER’ (which you won’t) and get a higher salary, nicer house and a lovely car… We are happy with others who are doing important jobs for us. Your job is only important to you darling!! And USELESS to us…!!!!

  42. Andrew on April 21, 2010 7:26 am

    Live in a “posh manner”? Heaven forbid I lived anywhere in a posh manner, I’d rather kill myself.

  43. Fact on April 21, 2010 7:36 am

    This incident happened yesterday. I was driving on the far right lane and a Lexus on the third lane suddenly jumped one lane to take immediate right turn with out any indication. I had micro seconds to apply brakes to avoid collision. And I followed the lexus and stopped it, it was an emirati lady. I told her she was not supposed to drive that way. She replied “I can. This is my country. Go to hell”. Emiratis talk big about others not following the rules. Let them ask themselves if they are doing it first. Abu Dhabi Police’s Traffic Campaign says “Beware of Others’ Mistakes” and that is very true.

  44. alrafik on April 21, 2010 10:37 am

    emirati female doctor, NN and MA..good job on your comments and thank you also.
    miss anne thropic i think you are really digressing on this one…let me put it this way, we didnt say we dont want expats here, we said we dont want the ones disrespecting this country..thats all!!!!! all are most welcomed but only if you respect the rules and laws, as simple as that! we have two groups of expats here: the rotten and spoilt and the good, hard working one…miss anne which group do you belong to? and about being the minority and bringing in expats to do the job..whats so wrong about that? are you envious uae can afford to pay all of them? being a minority is not a shows how welcoming we can be without feeling threatened!! another thing miss anne, dont sling stones and you take cover behind a glass house, huh? have a great day everyone wherever you are :-)

  45. alrafik on April 21, 2010 10:38 am

    emirati female doctor, NN and MA..good job on your comments and thank you also.
    miss anne thropic i think you are really digressing on this one…let me put it this way, we didnt say we dont want expats here, we said we dont want the ones disrespecting this country..thats all!!!!! all are most welcomed but only if you respect the rules and laws, as simple as that! we have two groups of expats here: the rotten and spoilt and the good, hard working one…miss anne which group do you belong to? and about being the minority and bringing in expats to do the job..whats so wrong about that? are you envious uae can afford to pay all of them? being a minority is not a shows how welcoming we can be without feeling threatened!! another thing miss anne, dont sling stones and you take cover behind a glass house, huh?

  46. alrafik on April 21, 2010 10:41 am

    sorry all…i didnt mean to repeat that twice…small internet problems =-)

  47. Miss Anne Thropic on April 21, 2010 11:36 am

    Why would I be envious of a nation that has 14% unemployment amongst its nationals (stat based on Abu Dhabi Emiratis) while still paying expats scandalously low wages to do jobs they are not prepared to do?

    There are currently not enough Emiratis to do all the jobs that need doing so expats are still required, but as long as there are expats here at all, there is no excuse for any able-bodied Emirati to be unemployed.

    I do agree however that it is a minority of expats who give all expats a bad name, just as its a minority of Muslims that cause people to stereotype all Muslims as terrorists. I’m sure you’d agree it is just as ridiculous to call all expats drunken vulgar idiots, just as it is ridiculous to call all Muslims terrorists.

  48. Andrew on April 21, 2010 11:45 am

    Envious that the “UAE” can pay for expatriates? What on earth are you babbling about?

  49. Andrew on April 21, 2010 2:51 pm

    Sometimes I think Anne is in my head, reading my thoughts.

  50. Miss Anne Thropic on April 21, 2010 2:53 pm

    And given this country’s Federal National Council is concerned about Emiratis being a minority in their own country, especially for reasons of national security, it is somewhat bumptious to suggest that locals are fine with being a minority because they are so welcoming and don’t feel threatened.

  51. D D on April 22, 2010 8:09 am

    Emirati doctor, what are you talking about? The Emirates wouldn’t be the Emirates if it weren’t for the American, British, Canadian or French. They built ”Your Country”. It just shows how unappreciative you Emirati people are. Come work for us and build our country, and when you guys have it all (because of THE FOREIGNERS work) you guys are screaming “Get the hell out”? Get a life please. I doubt your doctor certificate was even achieved by your studies…. who knows, you probably payed to recieve it like the rest of you. You guys were people who lived in deserts and rode camels… why are you acting like you’re so high class now?

  52. Andrew on April 22, 2010 12:06 pm

    Now now, play nice children.

  53. alrafik on April 23, 2010 10:25 am

    hahahahahhaaaa…….look here we go again slinging stones behind a glass house? okay let me give back some payback…isnt uk the country that kills people for the colour of their skin? isnt uk one of the most violent nations in the west? hmmmm and if as you say UAE is paying scandalously low wages, how come more people keep coming to work here even from ur country, and still i dont understand what u r going on bubbling about, why dont these british expats then leave for their so called ” heavenly” country? or maybe you are rejects in your own country thats why you cant dare go back? as for national security, its talk and a mind set like yours that start wars!!!! you are also a national security and i know you would celebrate if emirates failed…keep praying for our downfall but ALLAH will keep us safe from your likes! you r full of anti arab and anti muslim sentiments……i wonder why?

  54. Emarati female doctor on April 24, 2010 1:18 pm

    Look I don’t have time to talk to enemies living among us. For the good expats, you all know it we are loving and welcoming people and by that we’re acting by our nature and religion. Unfortunately this act has also attracted meany, rude and extremely jelous cowards, hiding their Identitiy and poisonous believes from us. This is how we are rewarded by the being nice! Please try living in neighbouring countries like Kuwait or Saudia Arabia and come back to talk negatively about us, that’s if you come back!! cause those others don’t tolerate people like you at all and you’ll be kicked back to your lovely home or FORCED to respect them if you chose to live there which I doubt very much!! We have a say in Arabi:No matter how much you gift and reward the meany and rude people, they will always complain!! Don’t speak for other nationalities and even ‘very few’ of your nationality whom we respect and appreciate, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! We don’t need somebody like you eating and drinking on this beautiful Land and yet disrespecting its people and values! I think this is very clear. I won’t comment on what you said up there.. and this shows how silly your believes and thinkings are. Whatta shame, You’re only belittling your country !

  55. Emarati female doctor on April 24, 2010 1:33 pm

    And by the way I am very confident that people like you have never (and will never) participated in building this country. You likes are running away from your massive country taxes and exreme cold and rainy wether. YOU CAME HERE TO ENJOY WHAT OTHERS HAVE PUT INTO THIS COUNTRY! Looks like you don’t have work -even though you are pretending that u’r sweating away building this precious land- having plenty of time to read and comment negatively. GO back to your cocktail on the beach and enjoy the sun you lazy coward, will you !! NICE PEOPLE WHO BUILT THIS COUNTRY DON’T ARE IN LOVE WITH US AND WE LOVE THEM back, and that’s killing ya =)

  56. Local Emarati doctor on April 24, 2010 2:16 pm

    It’s soo simple: You don’t need to suffer this explosive hatered and anger or YOU’LL BE KILLED. Save yourself the danger of dying in a foreign country, and go back to your home country where you’ll be ‘revitalised’ ! If you can’t, then keep your nagging feelings to yourself ‘mate’. If a diplomat in your embassy reads what you or your colleages are saying , he/she(not us)’d be the 1st to kick you out as you have crossed your limits. otherwise if it happens that you’r travelling through the UAE, please identify yourself to the immigration officer with your ‘believes’ and see if you can enjoy our country again !! that’s if you are honoust with yourself!! =D

  57. Local Emarati doctor on April 24, 2010 2:22 pm

    And when i say killed, i mean you’ll dye of many diseases slowly as a result of the uneasiness you feel .. you didn’t come here to do this to yourself darling.. Think ..!! Although i can’t help it if you continue getting yourself into trouble like that, that you’re endangering yourself !!

  58. Andrew on April 24, 2010 6:44 pm

    Emirati doctor; for the record I think your opinions are well balanced, you’ve got a chip on each shoulder.

    Now grow up the lot of you and start acting like adults, you’re a bloody embarrassment.

  59. Dismanirie on April 25, 2010 7:29 am

    The polarity and passion of the opinions expressed by the commentators on this article are extraordinary. Australian, British, Egyptian, Indian, Emirati et al. all revealing their profoundest prejudices!

    Every society has its own share of “bad apples”, and perhaps it is true that Dubai has opened its doors a bit too widely to people from alien cultures who have not acquired the intellectual maturity to accept the inconsistent interpretation of the “law” and hypocrisy of the UAE.

    Not every individual is in the UAE by choice; some have to follow their spouse’s work assignment; some have families to feed back home and no prospect of work of any kind there; some have taken up offers which upon arrival were not honored and find themselves contractually stuck.

    Those who have elected to come to UAE are usually aware of the need to adapt to the culture of the society in which they have chosen to live and work.

    The reality is that each culture tends to live in its own ghetto, with little interaction between one another. The clashes occur when people forget themselves and continue to behave as if they are in their ghetto.

    Much of the Emirati comment above insists on how “welcoming” they are to outsiders. That is very far from the truth, and were it not for their dependence on foreign labor and talent to build and contribute to their economies they would gladly see every foreigner leave, Arab and non-Arab alike.

    Foreigners coming to UAE need to inform themselves far better about the society they are immersing themselves into, and Emiratis need to accept that opening their doors to outsiders means they will invite different social values into their country.

    Live and let live!

  60. Caim on April 25, 2010 8:12 pm

    at D D,
    first of all, I’m not Emarati, I’m saudi, it may be true that we rode camels and horses, there were no cars those days, and I really appreciate that your country helped us “building ours” but what about the knowledge, 1000 years back we “Arabs” were the most intelligent people in the world, but I don’t want to talk much about it because I don’t knw that much about it, and I think neither you do, and, even though I appreciate your country help, I can’t just shut up and see your people do indecent things in my country, not that I’m acting high classed, no, it’s because I have a religion, my beloved Islamic religion.
    sorry If I took much of your time, but I felt that I have to say what I said.
    and remember, you guys are always welcomed in our country, but, we just ask you to not do something that goes against out religion.

  61. Tony Saliba on April 26, 2010 7:25 am

    Wow,, this has really escalated …Brits come here with no regard for the poeple here . Everyone knows that they are always drunk and in pubs after 5 .
    Even though they have a mediocre life style back in the UK in small houses and lousy transportation and weather , they come here with a large villa 2 cars a boat and a dog ….and they still complain !!!

  62. Miss Anne Thropic on April 26, 2010 7:36 am

    Local Emarati Doctor, what are these diseases we’re “dyeing” of? Dying, even..

    If you are referring to HIV, that is ridiculous given that all expats that are here legally have to pass an AIDS test to get a visa. If there is HIV in the UAE, it is largely because prostitutes are here illegally, and the UAE authorities are not doing enough.

  63. Andrew on April 26, 2010 9:25 am

    People don’t have 2 cars and dogs in the UK?

  64. Miss Anne Thropic on April 26, 2010 2:48 pm

    Drunk in pubs after 5? 5pm or 5am?? There’s be nothing wildly unusual about someone in a pub anywhere in the world being a bit tipsy after 5pm. And bars in the UAE don’t stay open until 5am.

    Every Brit always drunk and in the pub until after 5? All of them? Really?

  65. samaa on April 27, 2010 4:07 pm

    OK, I read all the comments from Mr Andrew and Dr Emarati, but I still don’t understand why Mr Andrew is still in the UAE. It’s easy to just leave and you are releaved. Mr Andrew, why don’t you accept that? You guys drink and get out of control in public, and can’t stop kissing. And I am proud to say that our religion does not allow such behavior. What’s wrong in following clean and neat morals? Nobody disrespects the good UK and us people here are good and kind people, who will always be respected in our countries.

  66. Local Emarati doctor on April 27, 2010 4:20 pm

    Thanks Andrew..
    For Dismanirie:
    How long have you been living here in Dubai? I don’t blame local people if they acted unwelcoming recently! We are seeing, hearing and reading unusual acts taking place on our land + many weird criminal actions going on and escalating, keeping our police busy and terrifying our peaceful society! But certainly as many ancient ones know, we have been and many of us are still welcoming foreigners and if you still have doubts ask yourself how all these expats ended up here if it wasn’t to our welcoming and loving nature.
    2nd: Miss Anne:
    I don’t know why did you think about HIV / AIDS as the disease i was referring to!! get out of your sexualyl oriented mind will you !! I was referring darling to cardiovascular diseases like ischaemic heart diseases, Diabetes and Hypertension all coming largely due to chronic boring stress and continuous haterd, as many of you are chronically jealous of Dubai success in many aspects.
    I think you should get a life and stop expressing your negative comments and passing them on !!!!

    Let me ask some of you this Q: how would you feel if i live in your country and start cursing and expressing my ANTI- feelings towards your society and your country while I enjoy its beauty and all what it has to offer to me !!!
    Haa have you thought about this??
    Please keep the negatives for yourselves !

  67. Andrew on April 28, 2010 5:19 am

    Samaa, the reason you’re unable to grasp why I’m still in the UAE is the same reason reason you’re unable to grasp why I find some of the comments above offensive.

    You’re more than entitled to be proud that your religion doesn’t allow you to not get drunk in public or go around kissing people. Me? I don’t do it because I don’t want to do it except on rare occasions, not because a book tells me I shouldn’t or can’t. I have more than a few Muslim friends who’ll do as they’re told according to their religion, but only as far as their religion tells them … the moment there’s no religious restrictions, they do what they want and go wild. Some of us – like me – are naturally well behaved, and it’s got nothing to do with our religion, nationality or ethnicity.

    As for Emirati Doctor: WHOOSH?!

  68. Miss Anne Thropic on May 2, 2010 12:49 pm

    Emarati Doctor: Aas a doctor, you should be aware diabetes is at insanely high levels amongst Emiratis, largely due to a sedentary lifestyle and obesity. I;m not at all jealous of that.

    And if you were to visit my home country and criticise it, that would be fine. Where I come from, we have free speech, a free press and we don’t freak out and get all defensive if anyone is critical. Indeed, it is a sign of a mature nation if its citizens can listen criticism and maybe even take it on board.

    Samaa: “You guys drink and get out of control in public, and can’t stop kissing.” How do you know anything about any of our lives? I am not even from the UK. But you have already assumed I am some kind of alcoholic who has sex in public. Thanks for stereotyping me. Is it therefore OK for me, having never met you, to assume you are an Emirati and therefore a lazy person who only wants a highly paid government job?

  69. Andrew on May 2, 2010 2:53 pm

    I’m feeling left out here, can I be the token westerner who’s lazy and wants a highly paid government job?

  70. Miss Anne Thropic on May 2, 2010 4:26 pm

    Oh no, Andrew, you’ve already been pegged as a drunken expat who kisses every woman you meet when you’re out at the pubs that stay open until 5am…

    But according to the good doctor, I am just a sex maniac…

  71. Junky on May 2, 2010 7:23 pm

    Well for the record, I did live up to at least half of that stereotype on New Year’s Eve. I do however say half, because I was completely blotto – no idea if I got up to the other half.

    It was in the middle of the desert though, so unless I made out with a camel – no dice.

  72. The Convict on May 5, 2010 5:34 pm

    Seriously, the UAE, Qatar, Oman and Kuwait would be better off without both Brits and Arabs! Both are arrogant and look down on people from every other nation on Earth.
    Think about it:
    Britain – the Middle East is not part of your crumbled empire anymore. The empire died after WWII. Go home and be miserable.
    Arabia – without the oil you would still be in the dark ages. You can’t have all the benefits of western technology without the social implications.

  73. Miss Anne Thropic on May 5, 2010 10:10 pm

    Without Brits, or indeed expats from all over the world, the UAE economy would come to a standstill. Whether the expats are doing jobs the Emiratis don’t want to do or cannot do, or they are spending money on their lifestyles, it keeps the economy afloat. Especially in Dubai where there isn’t much oil left.

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Emiratis, but as long as there are jobs you’re not prepared to do and long as there are Emiratis who’d rather be unemployed than do those jobs, you’re not getting your country to yourselves again any time soon. Deal with it.

  74. Rosemarie on May 6, 2010 2:12 am

    To all the people who took part in the above ‘discussions’……….!?!?
    I really hope to God that you have all vented your frustrations & now feel in the better of it ? but I wonder – do you really? it sounds to me like more hatred & stereotyping is being spread on all sides from all the above comments.
    THERE ARE GOOD & BAD HUMAN BEINGS in all corners of the globe & whilst any national is living in anothers country it is surely their duty to build as many ‘human’ bridges as they can with that hosting nation. Those who don’t are just limiting themselves. There are truths & deceptions mentioned all round from all of you but slinging the mud in each others faces will do nothing to repair images. Westerners need to remember that the cradle of civilisation was born in Iraq & Egypt amongst other M.E countries & for that reason alone Arabs are justly proud. Easterners are au-fait with the fact that good education & knowledge is part & parcel of the west & is our best export along with its qualified people, which is why so many people from the gulf go to study in the west……
    As a professional liberal western woman & mother of two living in the Gulf for many years, I have to agree with the arab nationals that ‘flaunting’ ones emotions as man & woman in public to me as it is to most is a turn off, especially so when it happens in front of kids, there is a time & a place for everything & all westerners will no doubt agree with that too, Sex in public is a crime even on our own shores. Arabs, Muslims around the globe would do well to remember also that whilst we all worship the one God (for those of us that follow the 3 main religions) it really gets the backs of non-muslims, westerners up when islamists/muslims harp on about ‘can do & cant do this in our religion’, ‘proud of my religion’ statements. Guys we are ALL proud of our religions which ever one we follow, but it isn’t a pre-requisite to have to keep saying so all the time. You should not & cannot inflict your opinions on any person by using Gods/ Allahs name in your defense. This goes for Christians too , which is why we dont usually bring the subject of religious connotations up in conversation as it is considered a private & personal matter between you & your creator. I’m sure Islam is a good religion for those who wish to follow it but we have a kind of saying in the west that goes like ‘never discuss religion & politics’ because it generally causes untold unnessesary arguments, People, look deep inside yourselves & remember that none of us are an inch better than our neighbour, least not in the eyes of our creator. judgement day will all come to us at the end of our days & that will be time enough to answer for ones wrongdoings in the time we spent on this earth.
    For those familiar with the Bible & the 10 commandments of God. LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THY SELF. This transeeds all religions & nationalities. I know this same message exists in the Kor’an & the Torah. I have seen Arabs enjoying the so called ‘Western Freedom’ falling around drunk, looking for women (not to marry !) & blowing unspeakable amounts of money in casinos in the west as well as the east……westerners do this too. Remember the movie ‘ My big fat greek wedding’ so we have Apples & pears but in the end we are all fruit !

  75. Andrew on May 6, 2010 6:26 am

    G’day mate, like the theory.

  76. Rosemarie on May 6, 2010 5:20 pm

    Glad that you like the theory and since ‘Practice’ usually follows theory, let all the above people who had their say now be the first to put the theory into real practice & lead by example.
    It is not what we say – but how we say it,
    not what we do – but how we do it.
    It would seem most of the above citizens are professionals & well enough educated to put their differences aside & embrace harmonious living. There are so many different nationalities in the world, how mundane & ordinary life would be if we were all created to be a carbon-copy of each other, surely there is a reason for that……………………. Variety is the spice of life, is it not ?
    Give a little…… Get a lot.

  77. Robyn on May 7, 2010 8:07 pm

    Here, here Rosemarie, couldn’t have said it better!

  78. Miss Anne Thropic on May 9, 2010 8:45 am

    it is just unfortunate that the Emirati doctor is a sad example of the stereotypes of locals. This is a shame as I know plenty of great Emiratis who work in the private sector and get just as frustrated with some of the things that go on here as my expat friends.

    I am just relieved she is not my doctor!

  79. Champ on May 11, 2010 11:45 pm

    Dear all,

    Learn,to respect yourselves before you fell in love with respective nations..
    Everyone’s sailing on the same boat
    ” If u like the country, raise your hands ..if you don’t then raise your standards”.

  80. Miss Anne Thropic on May 12, 2010 8:18 am

    What if your standards are perfectly fine but the standards around you are of the double-standard variety?

  81. Egyptian on May 21, 2010 10:50 pm

    How can British or American people would like to do whatever they want any and everywhere without respecting to others law under name of human rights,,,,and in same time inthem countreis there are alot of restrictions to muslims….isn’t as well human rights ??? Emirates Police are free to do what they see it saves the law in UAE, as they are responsible for that,

  82. Sam on May 22, 2010 2:00 am

    it’s really sad to see that we show respect all nationalities like our religion and traditions asked us to do, but I worked with UK’s people, 1 is very good helpful because he is new to UAE and he/she turned into(…….). we are all humans livening in a very blessed country, country who gave us chances we did not found at our homelands… to all UK’S you are not a first class people, stop acting like GOD’s
    Respect the country traditions and culture

  83. khalid on May 23, 2010 5:12 pm

    i see lots of hate here , why ?
    its very simple ” while in Rome do as Romans do ”
    i am sure Americans or Emirates or who ever don’t like the idea of kids seeing them having sex in public.
    everyone had contributed to built this country and who ever comes here is welcomed and respected .
    so please leave the hate behind you cause there are many nice things you can do in life .

  84. lodie on May 25, 2010 12:48 am

    hi guys!

    Let me ask everyone of you..are you all grown ups?
    If you understand the word “MORAL VALUES” SOCIAL NORMS” thing like this won’t happened.

    Though I haven’t been in UAE, I know and understand fully the culture of this people. I’m working for 15 yrs here in MID EAST, i have a lot of friends of different religion and never did I cause a single trouble.. WHY. ?? simple..RESPECT… if you are a visitor & or working & taking advantage of the lucrative pay…please have some decency and respect the culture of the host country..

    Don’t justify things that is against the Islamic Rules..YOU KNOW IT ALREADY…RULES ARE MADE TO BE FOLLOWED…

    I’m not a Muslim but you know I have a peace of mind…. just show your DECENCY & RESPECT…the rest will follow……


  85. mlw on May 25, 2010 7:21 pm

    Don’t tell me Europe is full of racists???? . People are people, i don’t care what country they are from ,don’t try making the world think that every thing has been corrupted by the westerners.Sin was here long before we came and will be long after we are gone.

  86. big daddy on May 27, 2010 1:14 am

    well its about all expats obeying the rules and giving respect to their culture that’s what Arabs want. so be cool and decent, nobody is raciest here if you respect , you’ll get respected .

  87. Miss Anne Thropic on May 27, 2010 8:03 am

    No, they’re only racist when it comes to hiring staff and people are paid on the basis of their nationality rather than skills…

  88. as salam alaikom on May 27, 2010 4:42 pm

    time will heal your wounds

  89. pretty me! on May 27, 2010 5:51 pm

    hypocrisy!!!! they’ve got to many skeletons in there closets!

  90. SA Expat on May 28, 2010 6:36 pm

    There is a bottom line here, and it is the following: we as expats are visitors in this country, whether we like it or not. It is therefore required that we follow the rules as laid down by the government. Its not really about who built what or who works harder. If your hedonistic desires are uncontrollable to the point where you cannot be faithful to your husband or avoid sex in public then maybe, just maybe, you’re in the wrong place.

  91. debrita bautista on May 28, 2010 7:30 pm

    I may not be in Dubai but how I wish that police also in other Gulf countries would be vigilant enough to do their responsibility in promoting decency in the own countries. Take the case for example of partying older (because they are in their fifties) nurses of a specialist hospital in Dammam who have ruined families beause they entice men to play around with them and others go to the point of selling tickets just as they can reach men who of course will succumb to what they do for and in exchange of not only cuddling but going with married men to their flats….
    I hope authorities would also check these out there….
    worst case is that they are Filipinas who are thought to be having a “Maria Clara” attitude and now ruin other Filipinas by what they are doing….
    Equally to be affected are the families of either a Filipino or Saudi that they victimize….
    And as the saying goes “Be sure your sin will find you out” which is in the Bible and the karma that will reach them too wherever they are….
    Yes morals and decency are the issues here….Isn’t it immoral when a married woman does something indecent with a married man too? Where are their values? Even if they are not in a Muslim country if they are decent they would not do such things.

  92. hrs on May 29, 2010 4:08 pm

    very very strange. Emarati doctor appears to be very very frustaed one.. or shall we say angry..for what ??/
    I have read most of the comments above… blaming each other… Read what Khalid says… and I guess that ‘s what we need to do ..
    for me ,I have been to dubai and Bahrain,Saudi,Kuwait and Doha……. My experience is that bahraini and emarati people are really lovely people . As far as building UAE is concern, people from various countries has contributed in its growth…over the years, I would say most Asians and at the moment indians constitues quite a high % age of the work force and high number of business establishments are owned by the Indians there…like wise…many from other countries…
    One thing is sure, No one has the right to insult the religon no matter you are muslim or non muslim…… most people from uae and bahrain are very poliet and help full……

  93. Baalthazaq on May 29, 2010 5:41 pm

    Well, this is fairly caustic.

    As an Emirati, I appreciate that foreigners have helped shape my country.

    However, I don’t think it is at all fair of the UK to suggest that the UK is in some way superior… your press are horrendous.

    What about when Rooney stepped on the testicles of a Brazillian player and the discussion was around whether the *Brazillian* player did it on purpose or by accident.

    Patriotism exists in the UK, and idiotic statements are made by the mainstream press about how awesome Britain is.

    Yet for some reason, you seem to be seeing this same reaction here (negative reaction to claims the country has made a mistake), and you then go full on offensive about how Emiratis are some sort of second class citizen, and how that wouldn’t happen in the UK?

    I’m sorry, but that’s bulls**t. The UK relies on migrant labour. It just does. There was even a recent report about how Britain needs more immigrants and yet still the British press (and the population at large) talk about “Foreigners taking our jobs”.

    How have you not yet understood that this is a natural human reaction and not Emirati specific when it occurs in your own countries? Why are you so hell bent on it being the Dubai Difference when we could be discussing it together, about both countries and how we can change them?

  94. lily on May 29, 2010 6:56 pm

    Is it SO difficult to understand and accept that this is an Arab Muslim country and to respect that? I think the local authorities and ppl have been gracious enough to accept and accommodate foreigners as much as possible to make them comfortable, especially Western expats. Is it too much to ask for some consideration for, and senstivity to, the local folk and their culture, religion and mores? Look around Gulf countries- has any of them been as or more accommodating? What more is needed to make it ‘suitable’ for expats- to relax laws that would permit public indecency?
    I live in Uptown Mirdiff, mostly occupied by Western expats. Recently a Western couple were warned for swimming nude in the communal pool in broad daylight. With kids running around the same area. Is that allowed in their own countries- swimming nude in a public pool? Other than in designated nude beaches it is illegal. I have met many Western expats shocked by the behaviour of their compatriots and ashamed to be of the same country.
    Every country has its own cultural and legal guidelines which everyone staying and visiting have to follow, and I believe its not too difficult to ask ppl to do the same here. Any country wont change their rules just coz others dont like it- especially if it goes against their moral and cultural values. After all, their primary allegiance is to the local ppl rather than to foreigners, even thought this country has bent over backwards to accommodate and please.
    And to the person who commented on topless ppl on the beach here- I saw such a person myself, and it is more than a rare occurance. A taxi driver told me he had to carry a client who was wearing nothing other than a bikini (without a wrap). As for the couple having sex on the beach, they were warned twice by the police (which i think is lenient enough) before he got a hurl of abuse- physically and verbally. AND there were witnesses.
    Is it too much to be respectful and have some self-respect?

  95. Miss Anne Thropic on May 30, 2010 10:13 am

    Lily, you’d get in trouble in most countries if you jumped nude in a communal pool in broad daylight…

  96. Alwlaid on May 30, 2010 6:27 pm

    i support the ban ,so that they will respect others holy figures and religious feelings.

  97. syed on May 31, 2010 2:29 pm

    I am not an emarati but I would like to comment on the discussion. this is a islamic land, please respect the cultures n tratitions here and follows the rules if u wanna live here and regarding your country building this part of the world..yes we do agree that your country and your people helped build the present middle east but dear dont forget that this was not done out of sympathy for the people here or for the sake of charity, u the greed for oil brought you here. and u cant deny that even your economy has improved because of these lands.
    we love this country as it has welcomed us with open arms showered us with love and helped us live a decent life. We love UAE.

  98. Miss Anne Thropic on May 31, 2010 3:46 pm

    I didn’t come here because I’m greedy for oil. I came out here because I was a bit bored back home.

  99. Hessa on June 1, 2010 3:11 pm

    hmmm…I’m an emarati I have lived my life with expatriates especially from India and I love them because they they were like fathers and mothers to me when I was young from grocery shops to hospitals they were with us, Indians are very kind and respectful but Im not sure about brits or other expatriate that have bigger salaries bcoz of their nationality (this is where the angry comes from,maybe?!) personally I think Indians deserve to have bigger salaries than brits bcoz they work in jobs that most of us dont want to do and most of them are brilliant and hardworking u can see that in the public sectors

  100. Hessa on June 1, 2010 3:16 pm

    but nevertheless what they have done is not acceptable in any muslim country even if emaratis done that they would face the same charges and an extra one from our religion (depends on the sin) :) so just follow the rules and have knowledge before coming to the country (knowledge is power)

  101. lily on June 2, 2010 5:12 am

    I think anyone who goes to another country, whether for tourism or to live in, should be thankful to the country for the opportunities it has provided them. Every country has its positives and negatives, including Western countries, but it is no reason to diss the country as a whole. We are in a host country out of our own countries and should always be respectful of their legal and cultural laws, and thankful for them for hosting us- EVEN if we dont particularly like or agree with some things there.

  102. lily on June 2, 2010 5:16 am

    And Hessa, I agree- personally I think that people of any nationality should be rewarded (salary-wise and perks-wise) according to the amount of work and contribution they provide a country. That goes for any country. Rewards, salaries,etc should not be based on colour, nationality and race.

  103. Imogene on June 3, 2010 12:26 pm

    As a Brit living in various Middle Eastern countries for the last 25 years. I can only say one thing When in Rome do as the Romans do.
    We moan and complain about foreigners coming to the UK and wanting to bring their strange cultures with them that aren’t British, but when we go to their countries we want to do exactly the same..sorry my fellow expats you can’t have it both ways. If you don’t like the laws in a certain country don’t go there…simple choice..we’re always saying to foreigners if you don’t like the UK don’t come here, and the same can be said for us, if we don’t like or respect their cultures don’t go there.Every country has laws and you have to abide by them if you want to live in them no matter how ridiculous you might think they are.

    Now go forth and continue your arguing, the voice of reason has spoken ;-)

  104. Marko on June 3, 2010 2:38 pm

    This theme is kinda unsatisfying… not because people get charged but that there is no real line but mostly just left to the judge. Kissing on the mouth is forbidden.. that’s clear but what’s with “welcome” kisses or holding hands? As someone who lived here for some time, I would never want to offend any Muslim person by my behaviors but if western people don’t know exactly where is the line, it’s specially for tourists hard to know what is right or wrong.

    I think it’s important also to note that one of the last incidents was just based on one eyewitness which shouldn’t be enough. There should be at least another witness.

    What is really eye-catchy it’s that most of all British people are having these kind of problems… so probably the “manual” for visiting Dubai should be written in bigger letters for those in the future.

  105. Jenan on June 4, 2010 4:32 pm

    I agree with Imogene when he said ” When in Rome do as the Romans do.”
    All foreigners have respect all the the rols of host countries.

    especially Emirates give all the freedom for the foreigners to do every thing inside houses and hotels thats why they no need for show their sins and the bizarre things in front of others

  106. lily on June 4, 2010 7:00 pm

    Marko, if you have been to Dubai you will know and see that kissing is going on in public areas, as is hugging, etc- sometimes kissing on the mouth (as I’ve seen in malls, and groping). For people to be arrested for sthing it means it mustve been beyond what is already permitted and tolerated. Its a very tolerant country, with liberties far beyond what is expected by many.

  107. Terrier on June 4, 2010 7:56 pm

    Why do these people come to the Middle Eat in the first place. Deport them all and bar them from ever re-entering!

  108. Terrier on June 4, 2010 7:57 pm

    East even!!

  109. Miss Anne Thropic on June 5, 2010 11:47 am

    Terrier, that is what happens already with anyone found guilty of kissing in public…

    The problem was that the woman who made the complaint didn’t turn up to court and the accused woman wasn’t allowed to call any witnesses nor did she have a lawyer. It was a farce of a trial and that is the far bigger issue here than anyone whining about disgusting westerners.

  110. Mark on June 5, 2010 12:03 pm

    I went swimming at a public beach at Abu Dhabi. There was a seperate area for “families” as they call it.

    When having a shower before changing I saw a girl, white, lying down and watching chaps showering.

    Nobody complained.

    If this were most other countries, one would have waved at the girl and asked her out. Here, one keeps silent and curbs the racing thoughts.

  111. ajith on June 5, 2010 1:19 pm

    when u read all these kissing issues in Dubai, i pity on the authorities and public who waste their precious time on fining and going after legal procedures as if this is all what is happening in Dubai. Guys there are lot more of filthiness happening around which is not good 2 mention. Lets waste time on more serious issues and make this a better place to live in

  112. Zeenat on June 6, 2010 4:32 pm

    Dubai being conservative, i cant believe that.. infact dubai sometimes feels more westernized than other countries, which explains the diverse cultures that are found there mostly europeans.

  113. lily on June 6, 2010 8:12 pm

    Miss Anne, this is NOT what happens when anyone is found kissing in public. If u go out to any mall or hotel, u’ll see plenty more than just kissing- with no deportations. Dont diss when its not justified or where there is no truth to it.

  114. lily on June 6, 2010 8:16 pm

    Seriously, whenever in ANY country, I try to appreciate the positives rather than focus and harp on abt the negatives. Every country has its negatives- but if you are choosing to live in a country, or went there in the first place, there must have been sthing positive to draw you there. No country is perfect, the UAE included. Lets just appreciate what the country does offer us.

  115. A Noakes on June 6, 2010 10:10 pm

    The issue here is every now and again an example has to be metered out to placate the more hardline people/regimes of the area. This was a farce from start to finish, the very young child would hardly have figured out what they were doing never mind expressing what was seen to her Mother, then for the court only to read the accusations with no chance of defence being allowed means that a a decision had already been made and all that was required is for it to be carried out. Job done. This is the way it is out here, accept or move on.
    All cultures have issues, There are several factors leading to the above, educate yourselves and realise there is never just one truth, people tend to side with what their guidlines on life are.
    So people, which side are you blindly on…take a step back, look at the other angles…maybe you will see things differently…..or not….

  116. Miss Anne Thropic on June 7, 2010 8:30 am

    Or if the mother, if she really was so horrified, just had a quiet word to the couple about the emirate’s decency laws, none of us would be any the wiser and it would be the non-issue that it should have been.

    All that fuss over a kiss when even a blind man could see the prostitutes in the bars here. Lily, I assume that is the greater indecency that you are referring to…

  117. Shamel on June 8, 2010 4:47 pm

    TO MARK:

    Mark, there shouldn’t be any manual at all!!!! I think that making love on the beach is not alright even in Britain! There are other families and kids, and this act will offend any nationality or religion or color. The code is very simple, just be polite and don’t try to drool over your wife girlfriend in public. That’s why we have hotels and houses.

  118. khan on June 8, 2010 5:06 pm

    Lots of distorted information, check your facts before publishing. You are misleading the audience.

    Only public display of sex is intolerable in Dubai and is punishable. Everything else is ok.

    Especially in case of Michelle Palmer, they were first stopped and warned and not arrested ( a display of leniency by officials) but they went to a different location and continued.

  119. mohamed on June 8, 2010 7:25 pm

    I think anyone who goes to another country, whether for tourism or to live in, should be thankful to the country for the opportunities it has provided them. Every country has its positives and negatives, including Western countries, but it is no reason to diss the country as a whole. We are in a host country out of our own countries and should always be respectful of their legal and cultural laws, and thankful for them for hosting us- EVEN if we dont particularly like or agree with some things there.

  120. MISS ANI on June 8, 2010 8:53 pm

    its just a matter of HYPOCRISY , LUCK Exaggeration and UNRESPECTful . hUMAN bEING ARE BoRN SInnerS AND NO EXCEPTION !!! if u check oNe bY OnE , I gUess 80% wiLL gO tO jAIL.
    arE u onE Of thOse 20% cLeAn ? ( JUST ASKING?? )

  121. jack c on June 9, 2010 9:55 pm

    imogene, your wrong, the difference is that when others come to the west they somehow get away with indcuting or forcing their cultures on us, example of the veils and so on in many EU states of which some have forcefully banned them, when some dont get their way they resort to violence and intimidation and say their freedoms are not being met, forcing us to give in and let them practice things we dont believe in. If you try force your lifestyle on societies in the middle east they arrest and deport you under the pretence of religion or whatever the ”courts” deem fit. so its somehow one sided. At least in the west your given a lawyer and a chance to defend yourself, in the ME they decide your fate!

  122. Rick on June 10, 2010 6:37 pm

    Miss Anne

    As a 28 year old single male drilling rigger living in Dubai I believe there is more to this two having a friendly kiss hello. I have picked up women in clubs, kissed quite heavily in public and never once had any problems. If you have ever been to Dubai you would also now there is police everywhere so they have noticed. I have been extremely drunk in public and had no problems. I have talked and even flirted with local women and had no problems. I f indeed it was just a friendly kiss there attitude towards the athorities might have been a little harsh are perhaps belittling which would provoke them to create an example of them. All the news propaganda is a farce about the strict rules of Dubai. Try going to Saudi Arabia and try have of what we do in Dubai and see if you come out alive.

  123. [email protected] on June 14, 2010 2:53 pm

    Guys Guys… stop that you all wasting time now instead working. go back to work and forget about this things lol i think people just want a thing to talk about .. your all funny…


  124. Miss Anne Thropic on June 14, 2010 4:21 pm

    Rick, I lived in Dubai for nearly three years and now live in Abu Dhabi but thanks for the lesson on a country I’ve lived in for almost half a decade now…

    How do you know what went on with the couple in the kiss case? All we have is the word of the couple versus the word of the woman who made the complaint, changed her story and didn’t bother to turn up to court. The woman charged didn’t have legal representation and was not allowed to call her own witnesses. The problem, as I keep saying, is not the laws but the enforcement of them and the way justice is meted out here.

    Do you really think the way this case was conducted was fair? Really?

    The only reason you haven’t been busted for snogging women here is because you didn’t get spotted by some busybody. If you do get caught out, I trust you will take it on the chin when you face the court that passes for justice here and praise the system for its fairness.

  125. Andrew on June 14, 2010 7:52 pm

    Looks like I missed the second wave of rampant idiocy.


  126. Miss Anne Thropic on June 15, 2010 10:22 am

    Andrew, you were clearly too busy being drunk and having sex in the street…

  127. Ovid on June 15, 2010 12:24 pm


    Such enthusiastic vitriol. Why does anyone believe that their country is an island (figuratively and economically speaking), independent of anyone else? Seriously, the argument around “like it or leave” is fatuous. Assuming there were no expats here to start with, with whom would the UAE trade? Themselves? So let’s leave that “argument” to one side.

    As for living by the rules, I agree that we should do as much as possible to at least try and abide by the laws (inconsistently applied as they may be). That said, it behoves the UAE governing powers to be a little more forthcoming as to the details of these laws, so we as expats can at least have some light on the path.

    Being from South Africa (a melting pot of cultures and nationalities), I’m used to a more secular, cosmopolitan society, one that really walks the talk when it comes to embracing different cultures. Dubai and the UAE in general needs to rethink their attitude towards expats – and do more than pay lip-service to the ideal. The world market is massive and the opportunities are growing (for those of us who are willing to take them). Like any other country, the UAE mustn’t believe it is the Alpha and Omega of the world. Things have a nasty way of swinging around when you least expect it.

    Apologies if my comment seems a little disjointed. It was written brain-to-page.

    As an aside, Miss Anne Thropic, your comments (and your moniker) almost made me snort, I was laughing so hard. Don’t ever use that power for evil.

  128. Andrew on June 16, 2010 7:21 am

    Oh I was … just not in this country.

    I leave for 3 weeks and I miss all the fun.

  129. Miss Anne Thropic on June 16, 2010 8:34 am

    Don’t worry, Andrew. Nothing has changed. The expats are all still filthy boozehounds and sex maniacs, I’m feeling right at home…

  130. Andrew on June 16, 2010 12:31 pm

    I found out I can pay for my parking by SMS now, at least some things are improving.

    Now if I could just find a carwash that doesn’t have a queue longer than Godzilla’s tail …

  131. John M.Voss on June 17, 2010 3:15 pm

    The few restrictions that Dubai imposes are easy to live with. Unfortunately there´s always a few who want to test the limits. That a Court could have to do with text messages exchanged by flight crew is a bit bizarre. I also regret that there are double standards depending on whether a visitor is Muslim or not. But on the whole it s still one of the nicest and safest places in the world.

  132. topoki on June 17, 2010 3:49 pm

    Either fair or unfair, let’s not complain about the rules and regulations of Dubai. The fact that we chose to come and stay or work for a living here,automatically we are obliged to follow every SINGLE SIMPLE LAW of this country from holding hands to kissing,hugging to extramarital sex,etc. I have nothing against to anyone who are doing those things but it would be much better do it in a “super-duper private” place( a lot of safe places) where no one sees you.These days,NOT EVERYBODY but still there are conservative emiratis(or muslim nationals) who need extra respect. If we’re not able to follow a very simple regulation how could we follow the other rules. Anyway the airport is 24/7 open if you think you can’t do it.

  133. Miss Anne Thropic on June 18, 2010 9:59 am

    Thanks Topkopi, it was only a matter of time before someone else piped up with the tired and lazy “If you don’t like it, you can leave” comment.

    Not so simple for a lot of people here…

  134. nayeem ahmed khan on July 1, 2010 2:06 pm

    simple thing if you are feeding you and your family in host country you should not write any thing against any one.

  135. jamal on July 2, 2010 3:07 am

    bla bla bla bla bla city that city this bla bla bla

    and bla and blabla

    live learn and see life easy my dear !!!!!!!

  136. Miss Anne Thropic on July 4, 2010 9:04 am

    When are people going to understand that not everyone can just get on a plane and leave here at the drop of a hat? We all know where the airport is, but we can’t all leave as soon as we decide we don’t like it here.

    Here are some very good reasons why not everyone can just leave as soon as they feel like it:

    1. They have debts here, such as a car loan, and would prefer to do the right thing and stay here until it is paid off. While they are still here working and paying off a loan, they are also contributing to the economy.

    2. They have just paid a year’s rent on an apartment or villa and it is very hard to break a lease here, unless your landlord has let you write 12 cheques. Until all rent is paid monthly by direct debit, as is done in more modernised countries, that is another reason why people will stay here longer than planned.

    3. They have a husband or wife working here and making good money or on a contract, and they do not want to break up their marriage. Anyone who values the institution of marriage should respect that.

    4. Their children are happy and settled at a school here and they do not want to disrupt their children’s education. Anyone who values education and stability in families should respect that.

    5. They are working in a highly specialised industry or in a position that is in short supply in the UAE or doing jobs that Emiratis are not keen to do – all Emiratis should appreciate such people.

    6. They are safer in the UAE than in their home country.

    7. They have been lucky enough to survive any job cuts in the UAE and are staying here until the economy improves in their home country.

    8. They are in the unfortunate position of having their passport confiscated by their employer. Even though this is 100% illegal and a breach of human rights, so many employers do this here. Anyone who condones these employers should be ashamed of themselves.

    See? Not so simple to just jump on a plane on a whim.. Think before you use the lazy “if you don’t like it, just leave” comment. It is ill-considered and way too simplistic.

  137. abdullah on July 18, 2010 12:03 am


  138. robert on July 18, 2010 6:57 am

    abdullah; at this rate, I give it 2 years before being bankrupt…

  139. UAE Escort on August 6, 2010 2:28 pm

    Everyone needs to respect each other’s cultures and laws. Especially when it comes to sexual behavior or prostitution, as they say “when in Rome. . .” :-)

  140. raju on August 29, 2010 4:43 am

    ‘sex is natirul things and part of life so do not miss use it…,

  141. Chris on September 25, 2010 6:41 am

    It is a double moral standard – police is not interfering in obvious prostitution but arresting people simply kissing.
    And what about the virgin marriages? It is a very good business in the GCC countries to go for restoring virginity before wedding???
    Why all these lies ….

  142. Siss on October 2, 2010 6:23 pm

    Considering that prostitution is everywhere in the Gulf countries it is a joke to arrest people that kiss or a woman that has been raped. It’s a disgrace to islam and to the the people that were arrested in question. People down here can pretend to be all prudish but we all know what goes on behind the curtains. People here are no different than anywhere else (except that perhaps prostitution is more accepted than other places I have lived in).
    I’m sick of all the crying about Westerners and what they do considering I know what is going on here.


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