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Dubai couple wins appeal on charges of car sex

Defense for newly-wed couple argues breach of privacy.

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May 5, 2010 9:49 by



Dubai appeals court overturned the conviction of a Pakistani couple sentenced to prison and deportation following their conviction on indecency charges, the BBC said Wednesday.

Accused of having sex inside a parked vehicle, the defense argued that police twice attempted to peer inside the darkened windows of the car, constituting a breach of human rights and a violation of the couples’ privacy.

Additionally, the defense contended that because the car was a private place, the emirate’s indecency laws had not been violated.

Dubai’s strict indecency laws have received much press recently, following a string of arrests in which foreigners have faced charges and convictions.



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23 Comments

  1. Miss Anne Thropic on May 5, 2010 11:11 am

    So a month in jail for a kiss at 2am but sex in a car is fine! As long as the windows are illegally tinted. Yep, UAE justice makes so much sense.

     
  2. Riad on May 5, 2010 2:14 pm

    as long as it is hallal !!!!

     
  3. Miss Anne Thropic on May 5, 2010 10:13 pm

    Every unmarried couple who has sex in the privacy of their own homes or a hotel room should now get married and get their windows tinted to 80% so they can enjoy car sex without fear of prosecution! Yalla habibi!

     
  4. Mian on May 6, 2010 6:43 am

    As the law clearly states “public indecency”. The french kiss was in public in-front of minors, however, the intimacy took place inside the car, and car is rather a private place and no show to public took place due to darkened glass. The maximum penalty will be 4 black points with AED 500/- fine. Please do not mix emotions with the law

     
  5. khalid AlFilasi on May 6, 2010 6:50 am

    It does make a lot of sense; they are a married couple and were not doing anything in front of people.

     
  6. Miss Anne Thropic on May 6, 2010 11:56 pm

    No, it makes no sense at all. The offending kiss was not a “French kiss”(do you even know what that is?), it was a greeting kiss and did not warrant a month in jail. Sex in a car is still sex in a public place, whether the couple is married or not. Under this rationale, a kiss is worthy of a month in jail but full sex in a car with windows tinted above the legal limit doesn’t even warrant a traffic infringement penalty.

    The problem is not with the laws. It is with the enforcement of the laws and the inconsistent judgements that will keep making Dubai a laughing stock. In the last month, we’ve now seen sex in a car warrant zero penalty, a kiss warrant a month in jail and a 19-year-old Emirati driver who killed someone with their car getting just three months in jail.

    Killing someone worth the same sentence as three kisses? Sex in a car is fine as long as you’re married and have illegally tinted windows? It is ridiculous and tragic.

     
  7. Andrew on May 7, 2010 8:45 am

    Once again, Dubai manages to amaze me. Shaft a couple for something that is insignificant, and then let off a couple who breaking multiple laws, including those of morality.

    Great entertainment, I’ve made laughing at Dubai one of my favourite past-times.

     
  8. Miss Anne Thropic on May 7, 2010 2:05 pm

    If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry.

     
  9. khalid AlFilasi on May 9, 2010 12:44 pm

    You really do make me laugh; I guess you were sitting with them on the same table so you know the type of Kiss ……

    Sometimes when I read peoples comments on this site its gets me thinking there’s got be a bunch of school kids

    Fooling on their parents computers, DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FRENCH KISS IS ???? / One more thing you seem to

    Crib and complain a lot Miss Anne / go get a life instead of sitting on this PC typing BS most of the time… go to a Yoga class

    It will helps channel your hatred towards this place to a better good  have a lovely day

     
  10. Andrew on May 10, 2010 6:35 am

    Oh, so you *were* there then Khalid? Anne is merely pointing out that you don’t know anymore of the facts than we do.

    Deary me, you really do go far to prove that there might be a bunch of school kids* posting on here – but you’d be the first evidence I’ve seen of it.

    * No offence to school kids, most of whom are several watts brighter than you.

     
  11. Miss Anne Thropic on May 10, 2010 8:30 am

    I’m having a great day, thanks for the good wishes. I have a well-paid job and a nice car etc etc etc but I also know that it is all too easy to fall foul of the law here. A few weeks ago, I was threatened with arrest and confiscation of my car because I asked a very rude policeman to explain why he had given me a parking ticket. He also accused me of being drunk and told me I “am not in England anymore” even though I am not English. All I was doing was dropping the in-laws off at the airport!

    We are merely pointing out that a on the in jail for a kiss (whether it was a peck on the cheek, a smacker on the lips or a French kiss…) is an absurd penalty when the witness (whose story about what happened and who saw what was flakier than a bowl of breakfast cereal) didn’t even bother to show up to court.

    Elsewhere, such a case would be thrown out for lack of evidence and the judge would be very unamused at the wasting of court time.

    Khalid, do you really think that a month in jail and deportation for a kiss, getting let off altogether for sex in a car and three months for killing someone because of reckless driving equates to a fair, sensible and exemplary justice system?

     
  12. Emarati Doctor on May 17, 2010 4:02 pm

    Anne and Andrew no matter which countries you’re from.. DON”T YOU CALL THE LAW in my country as ridiculous, we said it before and will say it again .. go laugh at your own countries’ rules and laws which I doubt if you even know !!!

    It seems that your parents and home country didn’t even teach you how to RESPECT others . .!

     
  13. Miss Anne Thropic on May 20, 2010 8:44 am

    There are laws in my country that I don’t agree with as well. There are problems in my home country that I find frustrating. The difference is that I can accept criticism of my home country without accusing people of disrespect. I can also point out problems in my home country without feeling like I am being somehow unpatriotic.

    A sign of a truly mature nation is the ability to listen to criticism, whether it is from nationals or expats, without becoming hysterical or defensive.

    The problem in the UAE is with the inconsistent enforcement of the laws. As I said in an earlier post…

     
  14. Yousef on May 30, 2010 12:48 pm

    Yes you all are right when you say, we should respect the laws of the country we live in, because there is a reason for having that law, and you also are right when you say that we should accept criticism about our countries, because it might help us improve it. Even I myself do not agree with every law here, but I respect the law.. Still I think the UAE is a great country, that’s why I’m here.

     
  15. Miss Anne Thropic on May 30, 2010 7:03 pm

    I’m pretty sure there is no law that says it is OK to have sex in a car here, whether the windows are tinted or not. The judge in that case was just making it up as he went along. Based on his logic, a married couple could pitch a black tent in public and have sex in there. Anyone game to test that one out?

     
  16. Dave-O on June 1, 2010 3:31 pm

    Yes of course a married couple could pitch a tent and have sex in it, where do you think married locals all had sex a few decades ago before the foreigners came and built all the fancy apartments, houses and hotels?

    FYI, I am only kidding, I love Dubai and the UAE and I think that the Locals give us visitors a lot of free reign and turn a blind eye to all the things we do, knowingly and unknowingly that offend their culture and values.

    Oh not to mention the awesome jobs we’re allowed to take and the fanatstic way of life and standard of living.

    UAE & Dubai rocks!

     
  17. bint on June 2, 2010 11:22 am

    For all you who dont like the Laws of the UAE go back to your own country. Your were not forced to stay here and drink up all the money and walk around in sleazy clothing disrespecting UAE laws and islamic religion.
    You should first respect our simple and clear laws then give yourself importance to complain about the laws here.
    Go to your country and see how much your income would decrease. The UAE treats you very well and this is how you make fun of it?
    I smell a strong sense of hypocrisy.
    Doesn’t the UAE have the right to in-force its own laws? Isn’t France banning the face cover?
    I suggest you all stop this disrespect and mocking because i know you all know how the UAE and especially Dubai has improved your standard of living.

    Or are you all just jealous that there is a leading country with moral and religious standards unlike your?

     
  18. BnDubai on June 2, 2010 1:07 pm

    Plain and simple, the United Arab Emirates is a MUSLIM country therefor enforces what is HARAM and HALAL. Walking around dressed showing off half your body is HARAM thats why its Illegal so is a kiss in public, a small one or as you say a french kiss, no matter how it is, its illegal.
    Miss Anne, your focus is all about why is the penalty of a kiss so tough (1 month in jail), yeah to you people where its completely normal in your countries to kiss in public, getting jail time might me (over the limit), but to us, its still not enough. why? Because its against our religion and culture and we do NOT want our young ones to witness such propulsive behavior where ever they go.

    Oh yeah this just crossed my mind, your angry that they were thrown in jail for 1 month for doing something as i said is WRONG in our culture. If this is upsetting you, then why waste your time talking nasty about the country that held you in and made you what you are now, and start thinking and blabbering about Guantanamo bay and all the innocent people that are held there not a months, for years. Seems you got allot of time on your hands, spend it on that subject you might help ;)

    BnDubai,

     
  19. Dubawiya on June 2, 2010 2:18 pm

    If we truly implied Islamic Laws and shariaa no-one would even dare do such morally corrupt, obscene, and disrespecting behaviors to the UAE.
    And for anyone who says westerns built our skyscrapers, hotels and resorts should remember that they were paid to do it. And it was the gigantic and vast sums of money offered to them that made them come here.
    So to anyone who isn’t fond of the UAE’s laws I say,
    live with it.

    Dubawiya,

     
  20. K M on June 3, 2010 2:54 pm

    I have only been working here in the UAE for about a year on a 5 week on and off rotation so my knowledge of the law is not that great. I have worked all over the world for quite a few years now and I consider myself a visitor If I am not on Canadian soil. One thing we should all Do As Visitors is respect the cultures and laws of the soil we stand on. It is not a RIGHT to be here and work … but a Privilege!

     
  21. Miss Anne Thropic on June 3, 2010 6:59 pm

    Bint, how do you know that the UAE has improved my standard of living or that of anyone else?

    I am sick of these assumptions that all western expats walk around half-dressed and drunk all the time. The majority of us abide by the laws.

    The problems with the kissing case are not just that one month in jail is excessive but also the way in which the trial was conducted. The woman accused was not allowed to call any of her own witnesses nor did she have any legal representation. The Emirati woman who made the complaint – and who had her kids out at 2am – did not even bother to turn up to court to give evidence.

    The whole court case was therefore flawed and the judge should have thrown it out on the grounds of lack of evidence. That, my friends, is the problem. The problem is not that it is illegal to kiss in public. The problem is in the way the case was conducted.

    And BnDubai, I think you mean “repulsive” behaviour, not “propulsive”. Personally, I find the deadly way people drive in the UAE and the treatment of labourers more repulsive and more in need of serious court penalties than a kiss at 2am that should never have been seen by children who should have been in bed.

     
  22. Bint on June 5, 2010 7:19 pm

    Salam,

    First i just want to thank Mr.K M for his lovely comment.
    I hope you always enjoy your visits to the UAE.

    “Bint, how do you know that the UAE has improved my standard of living or that of anyone else? ”

    Now Anne, since you are talking about evidence, i will show you how the UAE has improved the standard of living of you and others.
    I believe you posted a comment before saying:

    “I have a well-paid job and a nice car”
    on 2010-05-10 08:30:12

    And,

    Yousef on 2010-05-30 12:48:01

    “Still I think the UAE is a great country, that’s why I’m here. ”

    and

    Dave-O on 2010-06-01 15:31:35

    “not to mention the awesome jobs we’re allowed to take and the fanatstic way of life and standard of living.”

    Now, regarding the trail.

    “The woman accused was not allowed to call any of her own witnesses nor did she have any legal representation. The Emirati woman who made the complaint – and who had her kids out at 2am – did not even bother to turn up to court to give evidence. ”

    Were you there? Are you a close contact of the accused woman?Did you personally go and witness the trial? You dont know what happened in there.
    Now in Islam, becoming a judge requires great skills such as strong Islamic faith, wisdom, and of course, fairness.
    So in any case the judge has to decide a fair penalty that he/she deserves. As Islam does not promote racism, bribing, or any factors that could disrupt the fairness of the decisions being made.
    So they probably deserved the penalty that was given to them.
    Besides, how do you know. Maybe the woman lied about some things that were published?

    “I find the deadly way people drive in the UAE and the treatment of labourers more repulsive and more in need of serious court penalties than a kiss at 2am”

    In your culture, this case might not deserve such a penalty, but to many others, it does and might even a deserve a penalty that is normally given to very serious cases. If someone goes to another country other than his, he is always expected to follow the law and accept it as it is not his own countries law.

    “a kiss at 2am that should never have been seen by children who should have been in bed.”

    Now Miss.Anne, you are arguing about the laws, the trials, the penalties, and the UAE’s culture. And you even want to argue about someone’s parenting?

    I end this by saying that the UAE has never and will never promote such behavior, it is taken very seriously and is seen as very offensive and therefore explains why such tough penalties are given. Personally i think the penalties enforced are very fair and inform people how this case is taken very seriously and therefore wards people off doing it and i ever see such a scene iam 500% sure that im going to go and do something about it. I know many people follow the laws here and i have a high respect for them. And i know many people don’t take the laws seriously. Hence tough penalties.

    Thank you :)

     
  23. Miss Anne Thropic on June 6, 2010 10:06 am

    Er, I had a nice car and a well-paid job back home too…

    And yes, given what I do for a living, I do know that the accused was not allowed to call any witnesses and that the Emirati woman didn’t bother to show up. Do you seriously think that makes for a fair trial?

    I have no problem with questioning this woman’s parenting – does anyone here think it is appropriate to have their children out at 2am? If she really was so offended by the kiss, she could have had a word to the couple.

    If they kept on kissing and she then decided to call the police, the least she could have done was then turn up to the trial.

     

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